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Canadian Federal Daycare 2008

Postby BigDXLT » Wed Dec 03, 2008 9:36 am

I don't remember voting in a bunch of children.

Why can't these idiots just do their jobs instead of trying to waste time like this? What a gong show.
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Re: Canadian Federal Daycare 2008

Postby CanadianWolverine » Wed Dec 03, 2008 5:11 pm

Yeah, they aren't behaving well at all and they refuse to go down for a nap.

Honestly, I can't help but say "Bullshit" every time I hear a Conservative claim that a Coalition is undemocratic - not to mention that it is highly hypocritical, its not all that long ago that they were looking into the same thing when going up against Paul Martin's minority government. It is bullshit because more people voted for the others combined, that strikes me as very democratic if they are willing to get along to govern.

Did you hear some of them accusing The Coalition of being treasonous? WTF. Personally, I have been fed up with the Conservatives for quite some time (Copyright "Reform", grr...) but its not like the other 2 major parties are any better. I'm still feeling sore that not even one Green made it in as a rep, bah!
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Re: Canadian Federal Daycare 2008

Postby Pykl » Wed Dec 03, 2008 5:51 pm

This is the most interested I've been in politics of any stripe for many years, and that's coming from a reformed news junkie. Frankly Harper totally overestimated his tenuous hold on power by attempting to bankrupt the other parties. I really hope the coalition pulls it off cause it would lead to much better representation for the people, or it could if they make it work long enough. I'm a big fan of minority governments in our current electoral climate. The thought of a majority of any color scares me quite a bit these days because with all the hostility they have now they would pillage and burn.
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Re: Canadian Federal Daycare 2008

Postby BigDXLT » Wed Dec 03, 2008 5:52 pm

Well, it is undemocratic to me in the sense that I voted specifically against the liberals (and the conservatives) and now I've helped them get in. That's what pisses me off about it. And they wonder where voter apathy comes from?

You are right Wolvie, it actually isn't truly undemocratic in our party system, it just feels like a late curveball, a real slap in the face. Harper's attempt to just stop the coalition is stupid though. The changes needed are more than just a "no coalitions" clause (watch him try for that one). Mandate number one has got to be to change the fracking voting system if it's this friggin' broken. I wonder if the coalition will have the balls to do something like that. Doubt it though.

Edit: I guess I shouldn't be so annoyed. I was making a point during the election to vote for the person, not the party...
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Re: Canadian Federal Daycare 2008

Postby CanadianWolverine » Wed Dec 03, 2008 5:53 pm

I found a link to an article that might help a bit in understanding the current situation for some:
http://www.thestar.com/comment/article/547336
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Re: Canadian Federal Daycare 2008

Postby BigDXLT » Wed Dec 03, 2008 6:00 pm

That's a really good article Wolvie, thanks.
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Re: Canadian Federal Daycare 2008

Postby CanadianWolverine » Wed Dec 03, 2008 6:02 pm

BigDXLT wrote:Well, it is undemocratic to me in the sense that I voted specifically against the liberals (and the conservatives) and now I've helped them get in. That's what pisses me off about it. And they wonder where voter apathy comes from?

You are right Wolvie, it actually isn't truly undemocratic in our party system, it just feels like a late curveball, a real slap in the face. Harper's attempt to just stop the coalition is stupid though. The changes needed are more than just a "no coalitions" clause (watch him try for that one). Mandate number one has got to be to change the fracking voting system if it's this friggin' broken. I wonder if the coalition will have the balls to do something like that. Doubt it though.


I totally hear ya BigD, I have been interested in voting and senate reform even before I could vote when I had to give a report about a election years ago in elementary school, even then it was apparent to me things were messed up big time and only going to get worse democraticly. This kinda stuff is one of the main reasons I want to see proportional representation get a better profile, so it can start to be seriously considered as a viable alternative. Ugh, I felt robbed when BC fell just short of the arbitrary 60% to have it considered and implemented.

Speaking of curve balls, how do think I feel that aproximately around 10% of the country could vote Green and not get a single member of parlaiment? Its like you have to big time regional before you can even be heard around this country. :(
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Re: Canadian Federal Daycare 2008

Postby BigDXLT » Wed Dec 03, 2008 6:15 pm

I think the proportional election system would have even greater merit on a national level.
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Re: Canadian Federal Daycare 2008

Postby Pykl » Wed Dec 03, 2008 7:47 pm

Yes it's clearly what's needed but don't bank on seeing it any time soon since the big old school parties will be the biggest losers and they're the ones that have to make it happen. In the current situation minorities are the best option, no matter what flavour. Manitoba made theirs work for several terms and they did some very good things. Even though Campbell started the peoples council for reform or whatever it was called he wanted proportional representation to die, that's why there was so little publicity and info about it before the election.

Once they get a taste of power all ideals of public good go out the window, the best example of this is the reform's founding principle of free votes.
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Re: Canadian Federal Daycare 2008

Postby Mentat » Fri Dec 05, 2008 12:32 pm

BigDXLT wrote:Well, it is undemocratic to me in the sense that I voted specifically against the liberals (and the conservatives) and now I've helped them get in. That's what pisses me off about it. And they wonder where voter apathy comes from?


I agree on that one. I don't like Dion. At the same time though, I've always liked the idea of minority governments because ideally it forces parties to work together to come to some sort of agreement. The coalition isn't quite what I imagined, but it's kind of along those lines, in that they agree they don't like Harper. I suppose this is the best we can hope for with a party system. The problem is, I don't like Harper OR Dion. But as for another election, I live in a generally Conservative area which has voted in Conservative, or before that, Reform for as long as I can remember, so it's not like my vote does much anyways, apart from the $1.75 or whatever that goes to the NDP. Maybe I'll just ignore politics for a while.
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Re: Canadian Federal Daycare 2008

Postby CanadianWolverine » Fri Dec 05, 2008 12:42 pm

I am stuck somewhere between :evil: , :vom: , and :cry: right now because that SoB Harper got the Governor General to disband parliament just before he knew his government was going to get a non-confidence vote!

I ... could so see myself doing something very cruel to Harper right now, this feels like something a dictator would do in some other country. I didn't even vote for anyone on the coalition, but simple math and a bit of understanding of how a parliamentary democracy works dictates that whoever has the most members willing to give them their confidence to govern are the ones that govern, don't all the rest of those votes that gave the coalition this chance count?

I'm not about to go burn something down or blow something up but I feel way too serious about this. I need to bitch to someone, hope you don't mind.
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Re: Canadian Federal Daycare 2008

Postby BigDXLT » Fri Dec 05, 2008 5:08 pm

That's why I started this thread Wolvie! :)
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Re: Canadian Federal Daycare 2008

Postby Feyd Rautha » Fri Dec 05, 2008 9:37 pm

Feeling powerless? Feeling like some dumb*(&@ is in charge? Welcome to the last 8 years of U.S. politics!
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Re: Canadian Federal Daycare 2008

Postby Niteowl » Sat Dec 06, 2008 8:17 pm

At least you guys got some bitchin' military hardware of the deal!
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Re: Canadian Federal Daycare 2008

Postby CanadianWolverine » Sun Dec 07, 2008 10:30 am

Well, wouldn't you know it... This thing went and got Godwined:

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